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johnlear
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 Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:40 am Post subject: How they travel faster than the speed of light. |
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Who can travel faster than the speed of light?
Anybody who can exert enough gravitational force to bend space.
But let me start at the beginning.
We think of our ‘outer’ space as a vacuum of cold ‘nothingness’. But in reality, space, although it contains only 1 hydrogen atom per square meter is actually a ‘fabric’.
If you can exert enough gravitational force, or actually gravitational ‘pull’, you can pull this fabric towards you.
If you have this gravitational pull ‘engine’ in your spacecraft, you can pull this space towards you, wrap the ‘fabric’ of space around your craft and then momentarily turn of the engine.
The result is that you ‘unite’ or coalesce’ or ‘fuse’ with the space from where you pulled your fabric. In other words you went from ‘here’ to ‘there’ almost instantaneously.
Modern spacecraft (even old spacecraft) have the gravitational engine described above. It is about the size of half of a basketball and sits in the middle of the floor of a flying saucer or other suitable space vehicle.
A three or four inch tube (wave guide) sits on top of the little sphere and guides the gravity wave from the ‘engine’ to the top of the craft and then down the sides and into the three gravity amplifiers contained in the lower level of the craft.
These gravity amplifiers are like giant vacuum cleaner hoses only they are about 5 feet long and 12 inches in diameter.
These gravity amplifiers can focus on a point in space from a few feet to millions of miles away to the block of space that you want to travel.
When the gravity amplifier is switched on, we focus and amplify the intense gravitational field on the ‘block of space’ where we want to go and pull or warp or bend that Space/Time so that it envelopes our craft.
We then turn off the gravity generator and we ‘unite’ or ‘coalesce’ or ‘fuse’ with that Space/Time we have pulled to envelope our craft. It can be a mile, a thousand miles, a million miles or more.
Each gravity ‘jump’ takes only milliseconds. The time it takes the gravity amplifier to recharge is 12 milliseconds. So in one second you can make roughly 83 jumps of millions of miles or more.
The distance you can travel (or Space/Time you can distort) is wholly dependent on the intensity of the gravitational field that can be produced. And the time that it takes to travel these distances is measured in fractions of a second.
While we think of these concepts in terms of “Star Trek’ suitable for science fiction only, the reality is that this mode of travel has been used by others for millions upon millions of years throughout the universe.
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johnlear
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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If we traveled 23,000 miles per 12 millisecond cycle we would be traveling at the speed of light.
If we traveled 230,000 miles per 12 millisecond cycle we would be traveling at ten times the speed of light..
At the speed of light it would take 38 light years to get to Zeta Reticuli.
At ten times the speed of light it would take 3.8 years to get to ZR.
At 100 times the speed of light it would take 4.6 months to get to ZR.
At 1000 times the speed of lilght it would take 14 days to get to ZR.
23 million miles per 12 millisecond cycle is equal to 1000 times the speed of light.
Although 1000 times the speed of light sounds really fast it is probably only kiddie car speed to some. |
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Matyas
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I know what that is! That thar is an Aether vortex!
You're too easy John. Now, take for example Billy Meier, he's one tough nut to crack! According to his photo documentary Earth had TWO different moons until about 5 million years ago.
Taking such a tall tale into consideration, how in Heaven's name are we supposed to base other solar systems on ours when moons and planets are getting towed around every few million years!?
The answer is in the castle AAAAARRRGGH! without a doubt.
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johnlear
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Giordano Bruno wrote that “Theodorus writes in his first book that the moon had appeared a little while before the war was fought by Hercules against the giants. Artistochius, and Dionysius Chalcidensis, in the first of their works, confirm the same.
Here is what Immanual Velikovsky had to say about the...:
EARTH WITHOUT A MOON*
Immanual Velikovsky**
Democritus and Anaxagorus taught that there was a time when the earth was without the Moon. Aristotle wrote that Arcadia in Greece, before being inhabited by the Hellenes, had a population of Pelasgians, and that these aborigines occupied the land already before there was a Moon in the sky above the earth; for this reason, they were called 'Proselenes'(1).
Apollonius Rhodius mentioned the time "when not all the orbs where in the heavens, before the Danai and Deukalion races came into existence, and only the Arcadians lived, of whom it is said that they dwelt on the mountains and fed on acorns, before there was a moon(2)."
Plutarch wrote in "The Roman Questions": "These were Arcadians of Evander's following, the so-called Pre-Lunar people (3)." Also Ovid: "The Arcadians are said to have possessed their land before the birth of Jove, and that folk is older than the Moon (4).” Lucien in his book of Astrology says that the Arcadians “affirm in their folly that they are older than the Moon in the sky (6).”
The Assyrians referred to the time of the Moon god as to the oldest period in the memory of the people: before other planetary gods came to dominate the world ages, the moon was the Supreme Deity (7). Such references are found in the inscriptions of Sargon II (about -720) ( “Since the far-off days of the Moon-gods time (era).”
Some allusions to the time before there was a moon may be found also in the scriptures. In Job 25:5 the prandeur of the Lord who ”makes peace in the heights,” is praised and the time is mentioned “before (there was) a moon and it did not shine.” Also in Psalm 72:5 it is said: “Thou was feared since (the time of) the sun and before (the time of) the moon, a generation of generations.”
A “generation of generations” means a very long time. Of course, it is of no use to counter this psalm with the myth of the first chapter of Genesis, a tale brought down from exotic and later sources.
It is probably the most remote remembrance of mankind: the time when there was no moon.
The memory of a world without a Moon lives in oral tradition among the Indians. The Indians of the Bogota highland in the eastern Cordilleras of Columbia relate some of their tribal reminiscences to the time before there was a Moon. “In earliest times, when the moon was not yet in the heavens,” say the tribesman of Chibchas (9).
The traditions of diverse people offer corroborative testimony to the effect that in a very early age, but still in the memory of mankind, no Moon accompanied the earth. Since human beings already peopled the earth, it is improbable that the Moon sprang from it.
*Copyright 1973 by Immanual Velikovsky
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** Velikovsky was born in Vitebsk, Russia. As a child he learned several languages, and excelled in mathematics. In 1913 he travelled to Europe, visiting Palestine, briefly studying medicine at Montpelier, France, and taking premedical courses at the University of Edinburgh.
Just before the outbreak of World War I, Velikovsky returned to his homeland and enrolled in the University of Moscow, where he received a medical degree in 1921. From there he went to Berlin, where he married a young violinist and became the general editor of the journal, Scripta Universitatis. During this time he became acquainted with Albert Einstein, who edited the journal’s mathematical-physical section. Velikovsky shifted to Palestine in 1924 and practiced psychoanalysis for the next 15 years. Some of his writings appeared in Freud's Imago.
In 1940, Velikovsky studied a number of natural disasters that occur in the Bible, such as the parting of the Red Sea and the eruption of Mt. Sinai. When he compared these biblical passages to similar entries in some obscure Egyptian texts, he became convinced they were describing the same catastrophes, and went about reconstructing ancient Middle Eastern time-lines to make both sides fit.
After studying other historical records, he became convinced that many catastrophes were linked to a single global cataclysm, and that Venus was involved. In 1939 he shifted to the United States and for the next ten years he researched these topics, the result being two separate books: Ages in Chaos – a historical reconstruction covering the years 1450 BC to 840 B.C, and Worlds in Collision.
1. Aristotle, Fr. 591 (ed. V. Rose).
2. Apollonius Rhodius, IV, 262.
3. Plutarch’s Moralia, tr. F.C. Babbit, Section 776.
4. Ovid, Fasti, tr. Sir James G. Frazer, II, 290.
5. Lucian, Astrology, tr. A.M. Harmon, 26 (p.367).
6. Censorinus, De die natal, 19; also Scholium on Aristophanes, Clouds, 398.
7. “It is remarkable that at first the primacy was assigned to the moon.” Fr. Cumont, Astrology and Religion Among the Greeks and Romans (1912), p.124.
8. Luckenbill, Ancient Peoples of Assyria, Vol. II, 870.
9. A. Humboldt, Vues des Cordilleras, I, 87.
I have a reference to when there were ‘2 moons in the heavens’ but I can’t find it right now.
My thoughts on the Billy Meiers ‘case’ are well documented and suffice to say that his basic story about meeting visitors from the Pleiades and going off for trips with them is true. However, so much of his story has been corrupted by all manner of intelligence and other agents whose business is to discredit any and all stories of visitors from others planets and solar systems that it would be impossible to address each and every charge and counter charge.
There was, indeed, a time when the earth was without a moon. It is my belief, based on the information that I have, that the moon was towed here by an EMV (electromagnetic vehicle), similar to that described by Norman Bergrun in "Ringmakers of Saturn " and at the completion of the task to insert the Moon into a rotationally 'locked' orbit around the earth was parked in the crater Tsiolkovsky. NASA, who was aware of the significance of the object in Tsiolkovsky attempted to obliterate all evidence of the EMV.
It is possible that several orders of deception where used including that of using a 'sub-mask', that is trying to make it look like there were buidings in Tsiolkovsky and then overlaying the 'ship' and then the island.
It is possible that NASA would rather have buildings discovered than an EMV. However this is all sheer speculation.
What is not speculation is that an EMV rests in the crater Tsiolkovsky and there is a high order of probability that this EMV is the one used to tow the Moon into orbit around the earth many years ago. |
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zorgon
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:12 am Post subject: Re: How they travel faster than the speed of light. |
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| Quote: | Anybody who can exert enough gravitational force to bend space.
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Cool... great... okay so we get a little gravity space warping "engine" and pull and tug the fabric of space and go zipping through the galaxies...
But what I wanna know is who has the star charts so we can find our way back home? Who has the mathematical skills to compute the trajectories so you don't end up warping into a star or black hole?
Job Available: Wanted one highly skilled navigator. Successful candidate would be familiar with Intergalactic star charts and have a working knowledge of space time calculations. Must have logged at least 100 hours on similar anti gravity craft....
Uh huh yeah I thought so... Its easy to build a shaip and toss in a gravity engine, but whp's gonna navigate it? 
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johnlear
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:34 am Post subject: |
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Yes, navigation is the problem.
At one time Bob Lazar and I were going to steal a saucer and go to Zeta Reticuli 2.
It was no problem getting there, navigation wise, because, Reticulum is visible from the southern hemisphere.
Here is a star chart of the southern hemisphere locating the constellation of Reticulum (just below the red circle):
And here is a closeup of where Reticulum 1 and 2 are located:
To be sure we could get back we used a star chart program called Circumspace which will take you anywhere in the universe and as we headed for ZR, on our practice trip, we would stop every couple of light years, turn around 180 degrees and look back to get some landmarks, or, actually star marks we could head to on our trip back. That unfortunately proved difficult if not impossible.
When we got to ZR and turned around 180 degrees there was not even the slightest indication of a constellatiion or noticeable star we could aim for.
So we cancelled our plans to steal the saucer and go to Zeta Reticuli. |
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Matyas
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:42 am Post subject: |
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That and combine a little annoying side effect of moving backward in time with the FTL drive. I always thought vibration was the key, spectral lines of Sol as an example. Then the aggregate group of stars, that spectral sig, and so on as the scale grows with the distance of the journey. Of course adjustments would have to be done for red shifting.
Personally I prefer a modified Hieronymus Machine, but that is me. I understand not everyone is going to trust a water witch to get around...
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Matyas
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Here is your reference on that Aether vortex drive.
| Quote: | Option H: Space-time fabric
Although the theory of special relativity forbids objects to have a relative velocity greater than light speed, and general relativity reduces to special relativity in a local sense (in small regions of spacetime where curvature is negligible), general relativity does allow the space between distant objects to expand in such a way that they have a "recession velocity" which exceeds the speed of light, and it is thought that galaxies which are at a distance of more than about 14 billion light years from us today have a recession velocity which is faster than light. Miguel Alcubierre theorized that it would be possible to create what is called an Alcubierre drive in which a ship would be enclosed in a "warp bubble" where the space at the front of the bubble is rapidly contracting and the space at the back is rapidly expanding, with the result that the bubble can reach a distant destination much faster than a light beam moving outside the bubble(journal paper). Such warping would require a source of negative energy which would act as anti-gravity. |
And where can we learn to produce anti-gravity? From Burkhard Heim's work of course!
I am sure there are a few others, but as fellow viewers of this thread can surmise it is not just possible but highly probable.
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Matyas
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: |
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We seem to have three subjects going on here...drives, navigation, and history. Maybe undo could divide it up into different threads?
Regarding the navigation part, an idea struck me. Why not get a fix on spacecraft position by using a quasar? It is far enough away and it has a signature that will not change provided a drive is used that doesn't move through space like the one we are discussing here.
John, you may want to reconsider appropriating that saucer again...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Egads. lol I'd prefer giving you admin powers, Matyas, and let you divide it up into rives, navigation, and history
Want admin powers? Be all buff and stuff
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