The grays

newinitiation · The grays

The popular myth about the grays seems to have taken a life of it's own in recent decades due no less to misguided people who believe that these supposed ETs have intervened in the earthly affairs.

The start of this myth date back to the 1947 roswell incident which by the way happened to be a real incident of bio organic androids and it's space craft having crashed near corona new mexico.

The pseudo debunkers, the liars, cheats, paid disinformers, charlartans, the mislead, the naives, the unscrupulous money hungry rogues and the easily lead have all added to this melting pot of fantasy to gain a foothold on people's mind and be led up the garden path.

The fact is secret groups within the military industrial complex have been experimenting with genetic technologies to breed gray alien looking beings who are no more than human freaks to one day use them for an alien abduction plot that von braun had mentioned some decades back.

When will people wake up and realise the truth regarding these matters.
That not only does ETs have not directly intervened in the terresrial affairs but that all this hoax and disinformation have been created by the secret groups within a group to mislead people about the truth of the existence of ETs and make this topic look ridiculous in most people's eyes so that the truth can continue to be suppressed whilst these rogue groups profit tremendously.

We are just unlocking this unfathomably complex web of lies that have been intertwined so inextricably for all these years by the powers that be that sorting through this pungent excrement will take many many long and bitter years to follow.

cheers

johnlear · Re: The grays

newinitiation

G'day John

John I was wondering if you are keeping up to date on the information from FIGU because in some of the information from your interviews it seems to be logically and quite realistically way off.

I don't hold to any illusions that just because the information is coming from FIGU, Billy or the plejarens that they must be 100% correct in terrestrial terms as we the supporters have found time and time again that sometimes they retract, make apologies, amend or revise their information according to the ever changing circumstances and mulitifacted dynamics of interrelated and interplayed factors to the context, reality, circumstance and situations of this case. But what we do know is this, that in their high wisdom and love, billy and the plejarens have left it up to humanity to figure most of it out and to evolve in the process, thats why they emphasise striving, creating a will to move forward, put emphasis on knowledge of the truth and thinking for ourselves.

What I found is that not everybody can get everything right all the time, this is impossible but at the same time we must put logic to the test regarding any information and regrettably some of your information such as 911, aliens and their activities might be having a detrimental effect by you innocently misinforming them.

Of course such a criticism requires exactly what those mistakes are and for me to be very direct and accurate as to what exactly you said that prompted me to write this to you and hopefully you can give me some more time for me to do so but in the mean time I hope my well intended reply does not cause you any ill feelings but rather to accept it as a positive criticism in your grace and to improve upon the information and align it close to the truth as we can get, this way we don't add to the already abundant misinfo, disinfo, lies and whole lot of other crap perpetrated by the usual rogues.

Anyway thanks for hearing me out

I have once sent to shirley maclain and larry king a similar message but received no reply just as I had expected.
I don't fault them but they are in a very enviable position to spread the truth if they have the courage so that we can all create a better world not just for ourselves but for our posterity.
I think that you are also in a similar position but I take nothing away from your tremendous efforts you have thus far put forward to ufology and aviation.

If you believe in reincarnation then our future posterity is really US we are talking about, reincarnated in the future.

Thanks for your time.
Cheers
Matt

johnlear

newinitiation

Hi John

The problem as I see it with your information regarding 911 is that holographic projections of the planes that hit the two towers goes beyond logic at this stage even though secret military technology is so far ahead than most mainstream science would have you believe.

Holographic projections have no mass of their own according to my limited but logical deduction.

I have been a party to an intimate ufo sighting that included holographic projection but the electromagnetic impulses work at the human psyche or consciousness that influences the electrical activity of the brain.

The military is making head ways regarding this technology and possess the ability through technical means to influence the brain in such a way that it can be made to hear and see unreal manifestations.

Even if the holographic projections were actually real and can be viewed by all, it is nothing more than an illusion or waves of light.

So in your theory that the holographically projected planes which hit the twin towers and brought about it collapse contradicts this assumption and the fact that the highly evolved and technically superior plejarens investigations revealed that there were bombs planted in the planes that triggered the collapse of the towers among the combination of other weapons such as direct energy beams and bombs planted inside the actual buildings.

Regarding the ET activities on earth, according to Billy's and the plejarens information he is the only one who maintains face to face contact with any ETs known at this stage.
They have a different definition of what a contact is and that 5 other individuals in the past have had brief encounters with them.

Of the 5 other ET races that visit the earth, they've all joined the federation except one other races of ETs that haven't established any contact with the plejarens.
The ones without contact have been here on earth with a station for some 350 years.
All other don't maintain contact with humans

There is a long historical reason why billy is the only one who can maintain contact with the plejarens and other federation members.

But it'll all sound preposterous until at such time that enough information from the contact notes along with various books such as 'and they still fly',' Talmmud of Jmmanuel', 'celestial teachings', and others are read, it's context as a whole is taken into consideration lest one hastily jumps to premature conclusions and end up objecting to the obvious.

I hope you understand my point.

thanks john
cheers
Matt

johnlear

chaiyah

How can anybody QUIT MEDDLING when there are so many secrets to crack?

The extent of what we can't find out for true is greater than what we know for true.

Chai

johnlear

chaiyah

That's not funny.

What specie or race of human has to get along, not knowing nothing that's real?

I am telepathically connected to some other Minds, some other Beings, and I hear some stuff that isn't well known, but even that doesn't solve the problem that we are confronted with -- ANTI-knowledge, ANTI-facts and poor foolishness. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this banquet of pure BS!

How is a person supposed to construct a coherent life this way? Belief systems are just houses of cards that blow away in a stiff breeze. Look where Communism went -- Poof! It's gone!

John, I like you, let me give you an example. Breathable oxygen in the air, now 17% and dropping. Is there ANY Federal Agency tracking it?

Of course not! They all track pollutants instead.

Another example. Morgellons?

How'd I get it? I was SHOT at a public bus stop lack August, didn't even know it. People I was standing talking to shouted at me, "Look! You're dripping blood all over the sidewalk!"

And, sure I was. So I bandaged by wrist up, went home and slept a couple of hours, cleaned the wound with iodine and dressed it. The scar that arose looked like a piece of yarn under my skin; but nothing happened for nine months. And then it began to itch. So I called the local ER, the local Clinic, looked on the Net for info how to deal with it.

Nothing. I punctured and saturated the scar with iodone. It turned purple and black, it formed black threads and then white threads -- over and over and over until the whole lesion was the size of a quarter and the black seeds of it had dropped off. I changed my diet to alkaline-forming foods and red wine. It's healing and all symptoms have subsided.

Is it gone? I dunno. But if I had depended on medical science, I'd be worse off. If I depended on NASA for information, I'd be worse off. If I depended upon the White House Press Office for information, I'd be worse off.

So. How can I live without anger and without craving knowledge, John, under these circumstances? What do I say to my kid who's a Senior at West Point, when the topic "What's True" comes up?

I'm all ears.

Emily

newinitiation

How can anybody QUIT MEDDLING when there are so many secrets to crack?

The extent of what we can't find out for true is greater than what we know for true.
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G'day chaiyah

I agree with you and as I see it it would be more than just meddling but rather striving through continuous exploration, enquiry, investigation and seizeless commitment to know and to find out what the truth is.

We all possess the ability to think logically and when there exists dissonance, we start questioning the validity of the source.

Now anyone and by anyone can make mistakes but problems ensue when people take others criticism quite personally and feel justified in their rationale that "I am very qualified than most to speak with authority on such and such matters because I have this and this qualification and credentials'- This then becomes rather a shallow game whereby the offended person is more interested in defending their bruised Ego and pride rather than be big enough to say 'Ok wait a minute, your information could also be right so lets explore this further'

Most conversations ground to a halt when it ends up being about essentially nothing and that is people are more interested in proving that they are right rather than being right.
It's one of those unfortunate facts about the human nature.

Anyway everyone is entitled to believe what they want to believe but for me I rather stay close to the truth rather than to beliefs.

I like your approach, I can relate to it.

cheers
Matt

newinitiation

G'day John

Hi John, ever since my foray into this cyber community I have conversed with many different people from all walks of life with their own unique talents, skills, intelligent levels, weaknesses, with many different intentions and goals, inclinations, limits and so on but one thing was certain, that they were all human beings at the other end, somewhere, hoping to know, to satisfy their curiosities, to know what they didn't and to get at the truth about various matters that were important to them.

What was also certain was that among them, some of them wanted to thwart these people's freedom to know and to seek by feeding them with all kinds of BS and so essentially as Jmmanuel (the person mistakenly known as Jesus) had said "40E-22: Beware of those who forbid you access to wisdom and knowledge, for they speak to you only to attain power over you and seize your goods and belongings", 23: "you will recognize them by their fruits".

Now unfortunate as it may be, words of truth are seldom beautiful sounding and beautiful words are seldom true therefore many people don't like the truth because its ugly, its confronting and it gnaws at their conscience and psyche.
This is probably why many get led astray by all kinds BS peddled by those secret group who would like nothing more than to realise their goals for world control, domination of the sheepish masses and to subjugate their minds, body and spirit among many other things.

Now these rogues use all kinds of methods and just to give you an example Dr Greer had stated quite poignantly when he said they use Decoy, Distract and Trash.
So if you add a little bit of truth to give it the air of legitimacy and mix it with all kinds of BS, this gives it the appearance that you are legit and people fall for it.
Ofcourse some naivetes fall for anything cos they don't scrutinise and think for themselves whilst others are a hard nut to crack. Its these people who make good headways for progress so that others can follow in the right footstep.

The world as we know isn't what it actually is.
There is definitely more to it than meets the eye.
Now how do we go about finding out what the truth is when the road ahead is teacherous and unforgiving.
Well, we use our own brains and think logically, deduce all matters, use our wisdom and wit, scrutinise, investigate, put the two and two plus another two and two together etc

So John I just hope you aren't one of those cunning individuals who's purpose it is to lead people astray with all kinds of BS while you laugh at the stupidity of the gullible behind close doors thinking to yourself how stupid and dumb people can be.

I ask not to offend but to clear this up as much of the information coming from you is unrealistic, sometimes obsured and frankly preposterous at some levels

Although if I may I take nothing away from the good that you have done and the positives which have aided others to start their journey into the unknown.

with respect
Matt

chaiyah

newinitiation, I can appreciate what you're saying; however, I will come to John's defense with something that Richard Hoagland said.

"The lies are different at every level."

Every level has a "station of belief" that they must cling to, to validate who they are.

A guy with 45 years of flight experience has a level of belief that is unassailable. And that's fine.

We're not where he is; so we don't have to see everything the way he has to see it. I thank God everyday I'm on the outside.

John does good work; and this little Forum is beginning to simmer in a very pleasant and civil way.

: ) Nice to meet you.

Chai

I_MUST_SHARE · Re: The grays

New initiation no punt intended but where is the question?

It sounds more like a lot of ranting and raving and accusing John of false information to me!

There is much inaccurate information that you have posted yourself but I won’t comment further than what John has already pointed out.

Tks for the post though,
Cheers Very Happy

newinitiaton

G'day chaiyah

Thank you for your feedback, much appreciated

With any topic in discussion, when you open a can of worm, you need to open that many more to justify, explain, reiterate and make clear ones intentions and motives with supporting facts and evidence and of course one's personal views to at least do some justice to the discourse.

As often is the case, everyone is essentially different with varying degrees of experience and knowledge that inevitably one needs to state the obvious and that is 'no person is the same as the other'.

I agree with your quote of Hoagland's but more to the point, the point as I see it with endeavour to explore the unknown lies in everyone not stopping with their questioning any information even if a perceived authority has stated it. Isn't this how we make progress and weed out the lies and fabrications.

Questioning something that somebody had said and also disagreeing with them on some aspects isn't a form of attack nor is it an affront unless of course the person means it.

Look at the effect of what all our religion is doing to people.
It subjugates our minds into a tight belief system of unreal and untruthful dogmas that end up dividing people against one another because each think that their religion is superior and right and the other inferior and wrong. Thats why we have religious fundamentalism and extremism irrespective of its kind.
The politians know this very well and they use this to full effect to people from one religious line to another.

All this is made possible because people don't question but rather accept everything tossed their way. This is what belief does.

So my point being if you have the integrity to accept that what you say will be questioned as being natural, then I don't see why it should cause any persons grief and worry unless of course that person has something to conceal and is worried that soon or later all will be revealed.

I in my position cannot refute the enormous progress and the good work john lear has achieved and done and full respects to his intrepid spirit.
But right now this is beside the point.

My ultimate goal may not fit well with others but I understand, but for me I want to live in a world where peace, love, harmony and freedom prevails.
I want to live in a world where power hungry despots and criminals don't run the world finances, politics, education, media, scientific, agricultural, military and religious institutions.
Most people want peace in this world but this is prevented and nipped in the bud because we have the minority of very maligned and very powerful and rich individuals that control most of our institutions.
They create wars purposefully on religious and financial grounds.
They test all kinds of new and deadly weapons on the poor and the innocent without blinking an eye with a pretext to eliminating their foe.

I can go on all day about what our problems are but it defeats the purpose in the context of this discussion and I take it that most people know this obvious sad state of humanity's affair.

So getting back we have to know the knowledge of truth so that not only does it set us free but that more people can know and do the right thing. This is how a better world can be created and I am sure not all want this but majority of the world's people do.

My apologies for the length but I hope you are patient enough to understand.

thanks chaiyah
Cheers

newinitiaton · Re: The grays

johnlear · Re: The grays

chaiyah

I_MUST_SHARE · Re: The grays

Hi New Initiation,

If your referring to what John suggests about 9/11 planes being holograms they were! I'm a 100% believer.

The technology ET has allowed some to possess would blow your mind away and no matter what angle you viewed it from it would be like your all sitting in a theatre watching the latest flick. You wouldn't even notice viewing a real plane from a hologramed one, they look identical from all angles and the thing is they have even greater technology than that, that is easy for them to fake. The holograms would have been the easiest part of the whole ordeal the explosions and rest of effects would be next.

I believe John Lear was accurate in saying that it was about impossible to fly planes into the towers at such high speeds pin pointed perfectly, as he mentioned even the best of the best pilots in the world could not duplicate it and have tried in simulations, and I believe Mr. Lear is more than qualified to give that opinion. There is a website with many other pilots all saying the same thing so he's not alone.

Are you a pilot? (Just curious)
Have you ever seen a real hologram?
Not that I have evidence or can prove it to you but I have!

David blane with the right technology could have pulled off the hologram trick, Hollywood could have done it! The hard part was dropping the buildings to dust literally with the explosion effects, now you can start to ask demolition teams what they think and it goes into another question. They are like these pilots, the towers just don't drop the way they did and into dust, even years of planning to explode these towers the way they came down would be impossible to duplicate, more was used than meets the eyes to drop these towers!

Cheers,

newinitiaton

newinitiaton

Hi I_Must_Share

Yes I have seen Dr woods presentation and it is with the likes of her efforts that another layer of onion has been peeled and with it one part of the truth revealed.
Its been a couple of years I think when I first saw that footage of spires just disintegrating in split seconds and turning to dust.
I couldn't believe my eyes and had to see the footage many many times
I also saw the fire trucks and the police cars all burnt out or rather melted and the glass panels burst in the most heinous of forms and so different to the way a normal fire would have burnt them.
Add to that the unusual amount of dust, the footage of the poor trapped victims and their odd reaction of jumping to their deaths when impending fires were not of immediate danger from where they were.
The witness testimony also gave credence to her findings.
So yes I agree on many fronts that indeed combination of conventional and unconventional methods were used to bring down the buildings.
What I cannot at this stage agree on is the notion of holographically projected planes being responsible for the buildings collapse.
Any further arguments regarding this matter will be futile so we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Not that you and I can make any difference to the cause of the truth at this stage regarding this matter for the broader public.
What is important is not to stop questioning the official line which most people have taken on board.
Propaganda is a powerful tool especially if you have control of the mass media.

One question that still lingers to this day in my mind is whatever happen to the supposed victims who boarded those flights on 911.
Especially the one that supposedly hit the pentagon
Some say that they were diverted to another airport on the pretext of a terrorist exercise, summarily hoarded off to a sercret military installation and either got murdered or are still held captive somewhere.

It would be heartbreaking for the families either way if it was the case that their loved ones were still alive but confined to have never seen the light of day to this day and probably never will unless some miracle happened.

So much unanswered questions exist with so many different theories and answers regarding 911 which is being slowly pieced together but one thing is certain Bush knew about it but never did anything to prevent it from happening.

cheers

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