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Dulcethere you go john
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| johnlear |
Is the Dulce secret underground base real? You bet!I drove to Dulce in 1989 on a research trip. I had been with a UFO research group in Crestone, CO. for a few days and then drove to Roswell with Linda Howe to see Clifford Stone. I then drove by myself back through Albuquerque, up through Santa Fe and Espanola and up to Dulce. I checked in at a motel and called Gabe Valdez, a New Mexico Highway Patrol officer I had heard about. He told me that his patrol was from 10pm to 6am and I was welcome to come along. He picked me up at the motel at 10pm and when we shook hands he said, “Hey, I know you! You flew in here in a Lear Jet years ago with Dean Martin’s girlfriend and some steaks for Dean Martin.” I had forgotten but when I was flying charter out of Van Nuys in the early 70’s we got a call to take some fresh steaks and Dean Martin’s girl friend to Dulce where he was filming a movie. Getting the Learjet into that little Dulce strip was no easy task especially because it was around 7000 ft. altitude.Gabe took me on patrol, winding in and out, up and down little canyons and roads in the inky black darkness of that New Mexican night. We stopped and had some green chile and corn tortillas about 2am. During those 8 hours we talked about the underground base at Dulce, Bennewitz, Col. Ernie Edwards, Bill Moore, Richard Doty and everything else. The next day I rented a car and tried to drive up to the top of the Archuletta Mesa to see if I could find where the atomic craft has crashed a few years earlier. It was winter, the car didn’t have 4 wheel drive and I nearly slipped off the road into a canyon. I didn’t find any hard evidence the base existed but I was certain it did. I believe that Dulce is active of this date (12-30-06) and that, as advertised, it is a joint U.S./Alien underground base where many joint research projects are conducted. It is located about a mile underground and has at least 5 levels. There are many secret entrances. Those who travel to Dulce and try to find any evidence of its existence or any of the entrances will be disappointed. No, there is no dirt lying around that came out of the construction of Dulce. No, there are no catering trucks going to and from Dulce. No, there are no garbage trucks going back and forth to haul the trash out of Dulce. Nor are there any lookout posts, lookout towers, guard shacks or guards. It is a very secret installation known by some as Section D. A contact of mine who has researched Dulce for many, many years called the other day and said he had new information and pictures and would share them with me in the coming months. He said that Dulce was just as active as it ever was. I will share this information when it comes to me. |
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| UnstoppableForce |
 I'm on the edge of my seat for this one.
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| zorgon |
Well then Fasten yer seatbelts folkes cause the ride is about to begin... For all those with queasy stomachs may I suggest blindfolds?... To begin this tour we shall start with a look at the writings of Daz Smith; The DULCE Papers An article by Daz Smith (webmaster) Background: In late 1987 I was introduced to the DULCE PAPERS by UFO research group Quest International, UK. These documents discuss a joint Alien/government run facility in New Mexico, USA. They show and talk about a piece of camers footage of alien breeding chambers and tanks holding what appears to be grey aliens. These documents surfaced at a time when Ufology was blossoming around the world, sightings were up and the emergence of the Crop circles had spawned a new generation of interested searchers. During this time many strange documents were fed to the hungry public domain, by strange cloudy background characters like Bill Moore, Bill Hamilton and John Lear. Each of these told a confusing, disturbing story of human / alien interaction, underground bases and a secret government at the heart of a cosmic conspiracy. In 1987 the document fascinated me - and cross referenced with abduction stories and alleged security guard statements and tidbits from around the world, I felt that the whole story had some element of truth. Nearly ten years later in 1996 through the internet I found a piece of film footage that was labeled AREA51. This turned out to show exactly the same scenes as released in the Dulce Papers almost ten years earlier. In clear detail large upright tanks can be seen with what really does appear to be grey aliens inside! Are they real? I have seen much written on the Dulce Papers most of this is on the net and some included here. Most of this automatically dismisses the whole DULCE scenario, papers and footage - but I have some questions that would need to be answered before I take this route: 1. Why? and who? would benefit from a hoax lasting over ten years? 2. The film looks very professional - who could have faked it? and why? (no-one has ever come forward) 3. The case goes a lot deeper than just the Dulce Papers - Paul Benewitz a researcher who stumbled on a facility in New Mexico with aliens was fed false information by the AFOSI, and agent Richard Doty, and researcher William (Bill) Moore. Why? So is DULCE real, are the papers and video real? I don't know but one has come forward to say they faked it, and all the accumulative evidence point to a very complex story. Text from the Papers: In 1979, something happened at the base with 66 humans killed and 44 humans escaping. It is suspected that the US attempted unsuccessfully to take over the base by force. One of the people who in escaped the facility was a CIA agent who, prior to leaving, made some notes, photos, and videotapes, before going into hiding. He has been in hiding ever since, and every six months he contacts each of five(?) people he left copies of the material with. His instructions were that if he missed four successive contacts, the people could do whatever they want with the material. The individuals caring for the packages were non technical in nature and new very little about the documents. In December 1987 a Description of these so called "Dulce Papers" was issued, and received by many researchers. The leak is suspected to have come from one of the caretakers of the papers. The Dulce Papers themselves were said to be composed of the following: o 25 black and white photos o 6 minute video tape of Dulce Facility with no dialogue o set of technical papers pertaining to Facility The contents included at least the following: o discussion of copper & molybdenium o discussion of magnesium & potasium (electrolytes??) o lots of medical terminology o discussion of ultraviolet light & gamma rays o discussion of true purpose of the EBE's o discussion of usage of cow blood o discussion of DNA manipulation o discussion of "almost human beings" o discussion of "creation of nongender being" o discussion of DNA manipulation o discussion of "almost human beings" o sketches of the photos SOURCE - Crowded Skies |
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| UnstoppableForce |
I remember this now, actually. I thought that video was fake. |
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| zorgon |
THE DULCE PAPERSHere we go... Hang on to yer hats!!!
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| zorgon |
The film footage
As you can see in the film footage, it starts off in one room and pans to another. First we see the alleged hybrid growing sacks as per the text and sketches. In the foreground the large round vats or containers can be seen with the weird mechanical arms. In th background large upright glass containers can be seen. The last camera views are of some of these containers up close, and we end on a shot trying to close-in on a containers contents - which could be a gray alien. 
FILM FOOTAGE Be Afraid... be VERY Afraid 
Footage showing Alien cryo tanks and feeding vats. This film has been allegedly stolen from an undergound facility named DULCE. It shows Aliens in containers of liquid, and the alleged vats of feeding substance. Real Video winzipfile - 178KB. Click here to download |
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| zorgon |
New Information on The DULCE PapersNew Information on The DULCE Papersby Daz Smith (webmaster) Background: I recently received these by email about the DULCE papers - are the comments true! Only time will tell - if you have any other info then pass it on to me here and I will upload it... EMAIL:1 Hi Daz Smith at crowdedskies... Greetings, and congratulations for your site. It has a lot of interesting material. However, I´d like to make a clearance about something you have on your website, and that's unfortunately false. I'm a sort of "spokesman" for one of the prime investigators of the Dulce Base enigma. He saw the page about dulce and the supposed video of the base, and here's a fragment of what he told me... "Some people were interviewed about DULCE for a Prime time UFO Special for NIPPON TV , in JAPAN. They video taped DRAWINGS "Ann West" made of the 6 minute video tape of the Dulce Facility with no dialogue and the Still Photos. These were DRAWINGS, that she made. They were shown to the Janpese Investigators." (The drawings YOU have in the page, and without any doubt ARE authentic) "The Japanese went to the expence of making MODELS, based on the Drawings, and produced a "grainy" video of the small Models and used to illustrate the Interview on the TV Special (over 10 years ago). Later...Assholes, cut these sections out of the Japanese TV program, when the Program's Video was sold in Japanese Video Stores. Then, someone said it was the REAL Dulce Video and tried to sell it to make themselves Money." So guys, that video is NOT authentic, because the real video is missing and no one knows where it is. And everyone who once had a copy of it is dead already, or at least with a death-silence-sentence. ¿Please, would you correct that little mistake? Thanks a lot. xxxx When I asked what proof he had... EMAIL 2: Hi daz... Well, I unfortunately don't have exactly any concrete information beyond the TRUTH that can backup the information. I assure that this information is true and can be proved, but the only thing that can be used as a proof is the Japanese video of the TV show, that of course exists... In Japan. Instead, I have something better to give you... and you can upload it to the page of course... I send you the ONLY photography that survived the Dulce Papers incident (the other pictures were retrieved by the military, dissapearing their holders too)... so it's quite possible that all the pictures were lost forever... all but one... This is the AUTHETIC picture of the Dulce base Bloodlab. This is the only surviving file from the Dulce Papers, and this picture was taken by the late Thomas Castello himself. Those few who once were there and could speak anyhow, confirmed that it is the correct place. The devices you see there are equipment used for the treatment and experiment with human, alien and hybrid blood, fluids and similar. That's everything I can give you as a fact. Please post it, spread it. Don't let the shadows cover this awful and inhuman reality... Thanks. P.S. the original dulce papers including the original pictures, tapes, drawings and flash-gun among other things are lost. The few investigators that know where they are, have tried to recover them but as they reach the approximate site, they're pursuited by the black forces and always have to retreat. xxx 
SOURCE - Crowded Skies |
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| johnlear |
The Dulce underground base is real.
The Dulce video is false. The still photo of the Dulce lab is real. The typewritten notes above (THE DULCE PAPERS) are mine. They were typed on my IBM Executive (proportionaly spaced) typewritter in 1987 after a meeting with Mr. X who gave me the information. I still have that typewriter out in the garage. The drawings of the inside of the Dulce lab are mine. I met with Mr. X who let me copy the original drawings that he made. (hand drawn in pencil). I copied them with a black ink felt tip pen so they would xerox better, and I still have the original pencil drawings somewhere in my files. The notes on the drawings of the Dulce lab are in my handwriting. (signed) John Lear January 9, 2007 |
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| chaiyah |
I have copies of all this stuff.
The problem is, I have no way to verify what is true and what is not true. If the Dulce information is not true, then I don't need to take responsibility for what is not going on. But if the Dulce information IS true, then there are crimes against Life going on there that need to be addressed. I believe in the absolute, unalienable right for every human being to know what is true about Reality. I believe that being LIED to, constantly and repeatedly and deliberately, is an act of evil intent that DESERVES to be stopped. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJNQhjMPmHg&eurl What my own grown children are telling me is that it's all okay; everybody lies. What I see coming out of these lies are genocide, pollution, death, destruction and ruin. That's not okay by me; it's that simple. I will confront and expose it all -- to the death if necessary. My heroes are the truth-tellers that have gone on before me : the Coopers, Schneiders, Skolnicks, Steadmans, Wellstone, Nikolai Tesla, JFK Junior -- being suicided or denied all prosperity -- cut off from sources and responses of livelihood because they DARE QUESTION, WHY are we being lied to?? Filth is what rules when the Powerful get most of the people to turn their backs on Truth. Chai |
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| I_MUST_SHARE |
Re: DulceSomething about Dulce that you will never hear.It's not actually ran by who is advertised or everyone thinks but the good guys are overlooking all that takes place there. (By surveillance) Just a hint! Even almost to the last guy working there is left out on this. The operations known to us as humans are always half/truths. (Lies if you may) How do I know, I can't say but I do know. I wish I could say more about Dulce but can’t for now. Take it or leave it! |
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| johnlear |
Re: Dulce
Yes, I believe you are accurate IMS. |
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| tezzajw |
Has anyone listened to the interview with Jo Ann Richards from this http://www.paranormalradionetwork.org/ website?
The link was posted to ATS a couple of days ago. Jo Ann claims that her husband Mark worked at Dulce and often participated in battles with various ET species... I'm listening to it now. What do you think? |
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| johnlear |
I bought her book and talked to her at length a year or so ago. Mark claims he was a test pilot for my father in the late 40's. My opinion is that it is all total bullshit. That said, nothing surprises me anymore. It could all be true.
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| tezzajw |
Well, I finished listening to her account... It seems that she drops your name, John, a couple of times. I get the feeling that she's read up on Dulce from other sources and sprinkled some of her own spin on it.
She said something about a meeting with aliens in 1970, right after we went to the Moon. Specifically, how the aliens warned us to stay away from the Moon. Now how does that fit in with the current mining operations on the Moon? She didn't mention if Apollo went to the Moon or not. It seems like a contradiction, in some ways... Anyway, I've saved it on my hard-drive, so I can always play it again, as another bed-time story. |
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| johnlear |
She's talkng about the alleged story that Neil Armstrong allegedly told the alleged university professor whho allegedly said that Neil has told him we were warned away from the moon. No truth in that. We have been mining up there since the early 60's.
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| tezzajw |
Yeah, that's kind of what I figured. We can't have been warned away from Moon, if we're mining it today. Somewhere, I think she might have got her wires crossed. What do you think about her claims that the Dulce entrances are hidden by holographs? I kind of recall you mentioning "James Bond" style domes, but I'm not sure if that was in relation to Dulce. I could be mistaken though, John, so don't think I'm putting words in your mouth, mate. At least she spoke about some shady activities at Pine Gap, which is closer to home for me! |
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| Lux |
John, have you heard what is being mined on the moon? Helium-3? |
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| johnlear |
Many think it is helium 3. |
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| Down Syndrome Adonis |
John,
When you say "we" have been mining up there since the sixties, you don't mean just the average "terrestrial" government employees from here working abroad do you? Who are these people in your opinion, does it tie in to Dulce, are they from other planets? Thank-you and regards, DSA |
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| drmicrochip |
Perhaps the entrances into Dulce are only through the underground transit system we've been hearing about. Maybe all the employees get to Dulce through Area 51 or some other base or means. We know how fast they travel so I doubt it takes them long at all to get from one place to another. | ||||